• @[email protected]
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    2358 months ago

    Lmao Linus immediately jumped back into the “we’re only human, feel bad for us” thing

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      Yeah, I couldn’t watch past Yvonne’s section, it just felt like a corporate ad tbh.

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          68 months ago

          This is why adblock and sponsorblock are essential. I haven’t seen any of that crap in years.

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          I just find that screwdriver to be the most pretentiously bad product. Still a product that’s half as good as something from Klein or wiha, or Milwaukee, or Greenlee, for three times the price. He put all that money into a designing a cheap but overpriced Chinese piece of junk, when there are already great screwdrivers used by professionals for years and years. Linus was so arrogant he didn’t even think that somebody’s already made a superior product with established tooling. But no, he has to reinvent the wheel and design a screwdriver nobody’s asked for

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            I’ve used one, and it actually is pretty good. For comparison, I have a Megapro Automotive (211R1C36RD) screwdriver. I like the ratchet and shaft knurling of the LTT more, but the smaller bits are a bit annoying (though the smaller handle size because of them is nice). Overall, it’s not a bad screwdriver, and even though it is too expensive for me, it’s another good product option in case other brands’ tools don’t fit someone’s needs.

            To be clear, LTT is plenty problematic, but I don’t think “making a screwdriver” is one of their problems.

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              I’ve done a lot of low-voltage as well as high-voltage work through the years. So I have tool sets and screwdriver sets for low-voltage stuff, another set for high voltage stuff which is a lot of Klein and Green Lee and another set for mechanical work which is a lot of Wright Tools because I do all my own vehicle maintenance in my shop. And even another set with JIS tips specifically for Japanese motorcycles which are Vessels. Basically, I have a lot of different screwdriver sets that specialize for many different purposes. I also have sets for taking apart smaller electronics. I say all this only to give insight to my experience with tools so that I can say the next bit…

              The LTT bit driver is overpriced garbage. I would re-iterate what the other person has already stated… there is nothing the LTT screwdriver does that something like a Wiha or Felo driver wouldn’t do for 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of it. Also, bit drivers save space which are great for toolbags and working on the go, but if I were to be doing consistent work on a bench there is no chance in hell that I would pick up a bit driver over a real screwdriver set.

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                  It’s price is the most glaring problem. The tool by itself is not garbage, but when you factor the price, it’s most definitely garbage for $70, you can buy much better. It’s on par with $20-$30 drivers from companies that have been building tools for decades, stand by their products, and in many cases, are industry standards in tool sets. So why would anyone pay 2-3x the price for something like the LTT screwdriver? And trust me, I get why the cost of it could be so much higher, R+D costs money, but that again goes back to the point the other person already stated, “Linus was so arrogant he didn’t even think that somebody’s already made a superior product with established tooling. But no, he has to reinvent the wheel and design a screwdriver nobody’s asked for” These other companies like Klein and Green Lee and Wiha and Felo know how to do tools. They have their processes nailed down, so they have better quality for far less money.

                  I don’t know why so many people got boners over it and didn’t want to point this out but I think that shows just how much power and protection Linus wielded with his rabid, cult-like followers. And that to me goes to show it took a lot of courage for GN to release his video, and all the more courage for Madison to finally tell her story. I’m very glad they both did though.

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        I was just thinking about how theres almost no gradient between what makes you a “quirky and fun small business” which they want to act like and “oh shit better put on our IBM corporate hats and make another video”

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        People buying this haven’t worked for a mid to large sized company. This is internal corporate coolaid bullshit. Nothing ever comes from this lip service. It’s just cringe

        • @[email protected]
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          108 months ago

          Yep. Some executive sent out an order that they have to make some sort of response. This was done to appease them, not the public.

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          58 months ago

          Sometimes things do change for the better, but usually not with the same people in the same positions.

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        Personally felt it was the right thing, and earned some respect back from me. They need to address Madison’s accusations separately (which are damning), but they certainly had positive movement with the points raised by the community / GN.

        Each of the department heads outlined their shortcomings and how they were being addressed. It felt genuine and sincere, and certainly not the generic bullshit you usually get from a corporate PR team on damage control. I hope they follow through enacting those plans, and it has a positive impact to both their quality and working environments.

        The only bit I hated was Linus’ section (and this is meant to be a criticism, not a personal attack).

        He opened up with a joke that Luke will have a lot to do curbing his (Linus) own behaviour, had a brief moment of sincerity, but went back to immediately defending himself and their actions. He didn’t fully acknowledge what his “emotional” response actually did, nor a personal response/apology to both GN/Billet Labs for it. There was no real acknowledgment he will address his own shortcomings. It honestly felt like someone who acknowledges he’s wrong (purely based on number of internal members telling him he’s in the wrong), but doesn’t agree nor accept it.

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          68 months ago

          Linus should not have appeared in this video at all. It would have shown that adults are now in charge and that someone can actually tell him “no”.

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          38 months ago

          I mean the monetizing of the video was in pretty poor taste. They plugged they’re merchandise multiple times. They joked about the video being sponsored twice. All of which screams, we don’t care about what we did just don’t take away our money.

          The video was still then being defensive.

          They never apologized to GN or Hardware Unboxed.

          Sex jokes too enlight of sexual harassment and employee mistreatment claims.

          They rushed the video out too, it’s a culmination of most of the things wrong with lmg. If they had taken their time with this and taken it seriously I would have probably given them points and been very surprised, but this was absolutely bs pr. Totally unapologetic and insincere. Even if they do change anything I don’t believe it’s because they want it, itll be because they’ll be out $$$.

          They also need to reconsider they’re hr, pretty significant conflict of interest there… then again hr isn’t there for employees protection anyway…

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      298 months ago

      Once again he comes out with deflections and excuses.

      Put your ego aside for one second and take this one humbly on the chin.

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    The “haha, we’ve made an oopsie” tone of the video (sponsorship jokes, plugging their store link, possible sex joke, deflecting to “I’m just a human” instead of fully taking the blame) don’t sit right with me. I was also hoping they would address Madison’s comments on why she quit.

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      I think Madison’s post happened after the video itself was planned, recorded, etc, so it’s understandable why that’s not addressed. But Linus really has to address what she’s said on the forums ASAP at least, because there’s a lot of damning claims towards his company from her. Like seriously, wtf Linus?

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        Also, they should stop deleting all mentionings of the Madison thing on the apology video as they doing are now, makes it all seem very disingenuous and fake.

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          Can confirm. They appear to be doing it manually, so lots are still up (for now), but entire threads are being disappeared.

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          It should be it’s own topic of discussion. It makes sense why they’re trying to control the comments on that video specifically.

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        I really want to make a joke about how they could have added an annotation on the video to address it and how it would have taken “$500 of people’s time” but her post was super gross (about the company, not her) and that’s more of a poison pill for a company than the sloppiness IMHO.

        I don’t watch LMG content and I have intention of starting to so I don’t have a dog in this fight but I always thought of LMG as “decent content but too over the top and silly for me”, the “decent content” part is in question now and the workplace allegations leave a bad taste in my mouth for sure.

        I thought this video was very well done aside from:

        • “I don’t agree with ALL the criticisms” - ok, then expand on that

        • Store plug - read the room, I thought the sponsor joke was ok but then they did it twice and plugged the store.

        • “6 9’s” - didn’t we just talk about filtering for sexual innuendos? Look I don’t give a fuck but, again, read the room

        • Linus’ whole section - it really felt genuine then he came on and came off as a petulant child

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      238 months ago

      To quote poetry:

      Uwu We made a fucky wucky!!

      A wittle fucko boingo!

      The code monkeys at our headquarters are working VEWY HAWD to fix this!

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            148 months ago

            🙄 I want you to tell me with a straight face that you honestly believe someone could say something like “six nines…” whilst simultaneously quirking their eyebrow and striking a dual fingerguns pose without an implied double meaning…

            A screenshot of Luke from the Linus Tech Tips "What do we do now?" video as he strikes a dual fingerguns pose as he quirks his eyebrow and wears a grimace-like smile

            For Pete’s sake, the editor even inserted a zoom cut and delayed the next shot transition for comedic effect!

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              Worth noting that the “69… Nice” joke is not just a universal meme, but also specially part of LTT in-jokes. So it’s very much in character for Linus or others at LMG to say something like that, but I am honestly disappointed that it came from Luke.

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        Yeah I get the various other critiques others have for this video but complaining about the “potential sex jokes” is a stretch.

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    Between this and Madison’s tweets I hope the good people can get out and the company dies.

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      I never saw Madison’s tweets, what happened there?

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      …the company dies.

      Oh for fucks sakes we have an edgel0rd over here. You can just stop watching the channel if you don’t like them.

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          218 months ago

          I don’t think they’re beyond redemption. My hope is that Linus can take a step back and let the CEO work on improving the workplace culture. No idea if he’s up to the challenge but time will tell

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            Beyond redemption, no, but refusing to acknowledge any wrongdoing doesn’t paint a pretty picture for the future. In the days since I’ve heard “we couldn’t have done any better”, “yes we messed up but it wouldn’t have made any difference if the numbers were right”, “no one could expect us to spend 500 dollars to redo a messed up review”

            Not once did I hear a mea culpa or we’ll try harder to do better in the future. Not a good look.

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              Linus:

              That didn’t happen.

              And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.

              And if it was, that’s not a big deal.

              And if it is, that’s not my fault.

              And if it was, I didn’t mean it.

              And if I did, you deserved it.

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            After digging into this whole fiasco and it’s various aspects, I’m coming to think that this is a leadership problem, pure and simple, and that the leader that allowed these pretty egregious situations to exist and metastasize is Linus. So sure, good for him for basically bootstrapping a company up to a ~$100M valuation… but that is absolutely not an excuse for, and in no way justifies the internal and external ethical lapses.

            The best case here is if the new LMG CEO forces a sharp, top-down culture shift that enables more sustainable working practices, better employee treatment and culture, increased rigor in the data they present, and an explicit public acknowledgement that their previous high-handed interactions with some creators and brands - and ethical conflicts of interest with others - did, in fact, occur, and will be seriously investigated in the interest of not repeating those failures in the future. But given Linus’s continued “woe is me”/borderline gaslighting, I’ll believe change is coming when I actually see it. For now, I’ve unsubscribed.

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          Maybe, but spare a thought for the ordinary people who would lose their jobs as a result.

          • Lexi Sneptaur
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            They worked at LMG, a highly visible company. They’ll get other jobs no problem.

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              Again, that may be the case, but it’s still not good for people to lose their jobs in the first place.

              Especially not in this economy.

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                I hope every unethical company goes over and everyone who works at all of them remains unemployed for at least 3 months actually. Unethical companies = employees often complacent and part of the problem.

                I don’t see why you want to defend this

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                  I’m not defending the company or the actions of whoever is involved in misconduct. But I also don’t believe in guilt by association.

                  Sorry for caring about people’s livelihoods.

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            My thoughts go to the dependency on jobs for survival but that leads into a conversation about AI, the end of enough jobs for humans and the need for universal basic income. Job loss doesn’t much affect my choice to interact with a corporation or wish for it to change (which may affect jobs).

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          They seem to have an excess of testosterone and are too sloppy, but unethical and worthy of cancellation is typical internet outrage over reaction.

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            Being invested in a company and giving glowing reviews to their products and only offering critiques of their competitors is pretty fucking unethical

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        I can’t hear what you’re saying with linus’ stringy cock in your mouth, mate.

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        An unethical company that allows it’s employees to be assaulted doesn’t need to exist.

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    This situation sucks and was something I would have been willing to see through. But after reading the thread from Madison this morning I’ve decided to cancel my Floatplane subscription. While the accusations she makes are currently accusations, they’re pretty damning and worth taking seriously in case they are more than allegations. I await LMG’s response to her thread, as I feel that will be the deciding factor in whether or not I continue to consume and support anything LMG does going forward.

    Her thread: https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691693740254228741

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      Gonna pop the ThreadReader link here for those who don’t want to log into Twitter: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1691693740254228741.html

      On the Floatplane thing, I am a bit worried for DankPods, who put a lot of backing into Floatplane after he got screwed over by Twitch. This whole thing might have some collateral damage towards the other creators on there, including him. Was considering subscribing to Floatplane for him and his drum streams before this.

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        I may not agree with a lot of things Madison does as a content creator, but what she’s described in that thread is absolutely egregious. This goes so far beyond “trust me bro”, and is already bathing in the gas that the company is actively lighting under them. Makes me wonder what kind of NDA and contract all of them have, to keep it hush-hush. I’m worried for the people there

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          what she’s described in that thread is absolutely egregious

          *If true and complete.

          None of us were there, none of us know what happened, none of us knows the context of anything discussed. There’s a universe where everything she described is misinterpreted banter and she’s just an overly sensitive whiny zoomer. There’s also a universe where everything she described is an understatement to the unfathomable conditions she may have been subjected to, and Linus is a prototypical millennial edgelord piece of shit who can’t read a room, and gets off on belittling those under his domain.

          It’s important, I think, to not be impulsively reactionary towards individual accusations. Doing so disincentives discourse and transparency. I’m going to let this play out for a bit before I make any decisions with my wallet. If Madison deserves the benefit of the doubt, so does LMG.

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        Thank you for this, I don’t normally use twitter but I read some people saying the Threadreader app wasn’t up to date with all the comments.

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        DankPods is the only reason why I’d consider using Floatplane, but I’ve already been a Patron of his for a long time and could just up my tier sub if I wanted to support him more, which I may do if this effects his streams.

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        Maybe Dankpods can get into the Nebula sphere instead.

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          Ha, Nebula is not the answer, either. It’s a gated community that doesn’t even have a way to sign up as an uploader. They expect you to make it on YouTube first before they consider moving to their network, and then you’re doomed to constantly advertise for Nebula for the rest of your career.